There are no good reasons at all why I should turn against the Avett Brothers. They play a melodic, largely acoustic brand of music with confessional lyrics, effective harmonies and some pretty good songs. They seem like nice guys. They are strongly rumored to put on a very good live show. People love them. Critics have been on board for years. They use a banjo. All of these characteristics taken together are practically a blueprint for a major strand of music that I have liked for over 40 years. So what's the problem with the Avett Brothers?They're safe.
Perhaps now that I've said it, you realize it, too. If you do, you're quickly becoming indifferent or, more likely, defensive.
The realization crept up on me and then whacked me on the head like Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Now, as I've gotten older, as things have begun to slow down a bit, I don't possess the Safe-O-Meter that maybe I once did. A band that's kind of alternative, that's pretty acoustic, that is underproduced and doesn't seem to take itself too seriously can suck me right in. Maybe it always could. To think of Crosby, Stills, and Nash as once somehow revolutionary seems hard to believe.
But the path of the Avetts is more insidious. See, we received the Avetts for Christmas, a very thoughtful gift from a music-loving friend. I received a two-disc homemade-burned set of favorite Avett songs. And I've listened to them pleasantly for several weeks. My wife liked what she heard, too. They're in heavy rotation in the kitchen Bose.
So here's what brought the Avetts down for me and what may make you angry: the Avetts have become darlings of the Conservative Christian community around here. It has turned me against them. I should have realized it, but I wasn't paying attention. Avettmania started among the Christian students. The first time I heard about them was from a student who told me that they were "kind of bluegrass" (completely wrong--I guess it was the banjo) and that they were great in concert. Then more and more of his friends were dropping their names, too. When the Avetts played nearby, a lot of the students went. At first, if you're a teacher, you think, 'Oh, they must be a popular band among students these days.'
I'm here to suggest that it's a bit more than that. See, if you went back a few years, we might be having the same conversation about David Wilcox. I never heard that much of his music, except on an endless admission trip with an admissions guy (and Young Life leader) who declared Wilcox his favorite performer and seemed to listen to nothing else, at least during both directions of that car ride to Jackson, Mississippi. But it became clear after I returned from that trip and mentioned Wilcox to students that he, too, had spread along similar paths.To have received the Avetts from a Conservative Christian adult was the reminder that the Avetts had achieved that same kind of Christian status. The Avetts are now a Conservative Christian "talking point," a band guaranteed nods of approval and acceptance.
And, unfortunately, that means they're safe. Because the tunes that drift through the FCAs and Young Lifes and PCA Presbyterian churches of America are not edgy, challenging, or controversial. They are bland-ish songs of families and relationships, dogs and parents. If they touch on social issues, those issues are likely to be safe social issues--Down's Syndrome or bad parenting.
And, unfortunately, in that context, I hear the songs in a new light and I realize there are no solos, the musicianship is not particularly accomplished, the melodies are familiar enough to attract me, but the lyrics are generalized and somewhat trite, even on a song of theirs I quite like, "I And Love And You":
That woman she's got eyes that shine
Just like a pair of stolen, polished dimes,
She asked to dance; I said, "It's fine,
I'll see you in the mornin' time."
Oh, Brooklyn, take me in,
Are you aware the shape I'm in?
My hands they shake, my head it spins,
Ah, Brooklyn, take me in
If you listen to a bunch of their songs, you'll discover how easy it is to finish their lyrical lines with common rhymes and stock phrases. You won't discover any depth to any relationship they write about, nor will you stop to ponder a line for additional meanings. In short, they are easy to listen to, but not rewarding. I wish it were otherwise.
What I don't know, can't know, is if the Avetts themselves cultivated this kind of Christian audience. Nor do I know if when they play in other parts of the country they draw the same of listeners. I'm guessing, if you're a performer, you take what you can get. Because the Avetts aren't singing God, Jesus, or faith. Maybe they're just what you listen to if you want to take a secular walk and not stray too far.
But now that I've seen them painted with this brush (or painted them myself), I have a hard time hearing them any other way. The Surgeon General has declared them safe for Christian listening. No, thanks. There are still songs and melodies I like, but I won't be traveling with them much longer, unless they find a way to reinvent themselves. Sorry, fans.
If you listen to a bunch of their songs, you'll discover how easy it is to finish their lyrical lines with common rhymes and stock phrases. You won't discover any depth to any relationship they write about, nor will you stop to ponder a line for additional meanings. In short, they are easy to listen to, but not rewarding. I wish it were otherwise.
What I don't know, can't know, is if the Avetts themselves cultivated this kind of Christian audience. Nor do I know if when they play in other parts of the country they draw the same of listeners. I'm guessing, if you're a performer, you take what you can get. Because the Avetts aren't singing God, Jesus, or faith. Maybe they're just what you listen to if you want to take a secular walk and not stray too far.
But now that I've seen them painted with this brush (or painted them myself), I have a hard time hearing them any other way. The Surgeon General has declared them safe for Christian listening. No, thanks. There are still songs and melodies I like, but I won't be traveling with them much longer, unless they find a way to reinvent themselves. Sorry, fans.
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This is so weird to me. I am a huge Avett fan (and not religious in any way), and to be honest, while I'm happy for them to have all the fans they want, I have never and would never try to convince anyone else they should be a fan. That said, I find it so odd that b/c you know some Christians who listen to them, that they aren't spouting some sort of negative message, that that is a turn-off. I guess it's kinda like if I knew a girl in middle school named Tina that was a bitch, then now I hate all people named Tina? I mean, I don't, but it seems similar.
The boys themselves call themselves Christian and spiritual, and you could find some strands of that in some of their music, but it's certainly not an overarching theme, and to be honest, if it were, it would be a turnoff to me, because I'm not religious, and I'm not in to any sort of religious music. They do have a very positive image and message, but believe me when I say that of the dozens of fans that I have met that I now call good friends, almost none of them has a strong religious leaning, and they certainly don't all come from Christian backgrounds.
And I disagree that their lyrics aren't deep. But they aren't complicated, and to me, that is a huge appeal. I think it takes guts to write about something so clearly, so close to home and so relatable, to completely put your heart on your sleeve for the world to see. They would tell you that they are writing from their own perspectives, that most of the songs have some sort of autobiographical foundation, even if they aren't always completely so, or completely literal. They aren't making up stories and hiding behind them. What could be less safe than that?
At any rate, to each their own and enjoy what you enjoy, but to be influenced by the fact that someone else, regardless of their religious background, likes or doesn't like, seems pretty sheltered to me.
He that ain't busy bein' born is busy dyin'. Unless they're busy bein' born again in the late 70s and early 80s.
Avett Brothers=Sister Hazel + banjo?
Dear Anonymous, the conservative Christian angle merely led me to a further examination of the Avetts. That's when I realized that the songs are actually so generalized that anyone could have written them, and that that safe blandness was probably the source of their appeal.
Maybe it's kind of like the Olive Garden. First time, you think, man, this is pretty cool. All the breadsticks and salad you want. Decent entrees. Then you see the crowds of homogenous, like-minded people sitting outside waiting to partake in that bland experience, and you think, nah, that's not for me; I'd rather eat real Italian from skilled chefs.
Did you never think you liked something/someone and then something happened which led you to reconsider?
In any event, thanks for the alternative perspective.
I wish you had a name.
Bob - The Olive Garden analogy feels apt to me. Perhaps because I like both The Olive Garden AND the Avett Brothers... but I also don't love them. I wouldn't shy away from discussing them or acknowledging my liking of them, but I wouldn't go out of my way to evangelize either of them, either. Sometimes the bread sticks and the salad are good enough, you know?
I did declare their album the 5th best album of 2009, which still feels fairly accurate but says more about my current sense that 2009 wasn't as strong musically as 2010...
Drew Holcomb falls into the same category, by the way, as darlings of the conservative Christian groups.
Bob, I have a name, I just don't wish to share it. :) But I appreciate your response.
Again, I am not going to try to "convert" you (an apt term here,) but I'm happy to respond.
I think it's interesting that you referenced the homogenous crowd, and perhaps my response will only convince you moreso of your argument, but you should actually go to a show,which you acknowledged you've heard is pretty good. There is nothing bland or homogenous in the show itself or the crowd. That is, the crowd ranges in age from kids to grandparents, and people whose preferred music genres range from bluegrass, country, rock, jam bands, indie, folk, and punk rock. They appeal to a wide audience. Does that mean that they are so bland anyone can relate? Perhaps you can interpret this that way, but I'd disagree and say it's quite the opposite--they are writing songs that are so universally relatable, that they are able to touch a lot of people. And if you go to a show and meet the fans, these aren't people who think, oh, this is nice, I think I'll listen to this as background music while I do my homework, take the kids to soccer practice, work, etc. These are fans that relate so passionately, so completely to their music on a very deep level. It's quite a beautiful thing.
I wonder, what you think is not real about them? You used the Olive Garden example and then said you'd rather eat "real Italian from skilled chefs." I wonder what rings false for you? In fact, I think that their songs are about as real as it gets. They aren't purporting to be something they are not, and I'd argue that their "realness" is what is a turnoff for some people, the basic, straightforward emotion. Could anyone have written them? In theory, yes and no. These guys, to me, are amazing songwriters exactly because they are expressing emotion, experiences and thoughts that many people do, in fact, respond to, but the thing is, I've rarely found a band to whom I can relate so well. So, well, not everyone else *is* writing what they write. For me, personally, there is enough cynicism, shallowness, and hipster indifference out there, that real is what rings true to me. But again, that's just me.
I'm not judging those who aren't responding to that, nor am I offended. It's certainly not for everyone and musical taste is subjective.
"Drew Holcomb falls into the same category, by the way, as darlings of the conservative Christian groups."
Also soccer, Chaco sandals, and expensive outdoor adventure outerwear.
An awful amount of analysis from an anonymous author.
Dear NotThomAnon,
One of the pleasures of writing a blog is that you get to take extreme positions and then to see what people say about them. I admire your devotion to the band, though I don't share it and am not likely to. I didn't make clear that I was never much of an Avett fan to begin with, though I really like the song "If It's The Beaches." So I'm not giving up much. You also probably can't understand how working at a school for 27 years that has a large conservative Christian subculture knocks you off-kilter. I'm damaged by that and quick to generalize and judge as a result. I admit it.
Thanks to Billy for helping me to flesh out my Olive Garden idea--it hits the spot sometimes, but I wouldn't go out of my way to go there.
I think, musically, the ideal parallel for the Avetts is perhaps the Kingston Trio, those pleasant purveyors/interpeters of folk for the masses who certainly did appeal to everyone from grandfathers to children in ways that neither Guthrie nor Dylan could have. They were able to distill out the "hootenanny" and leave the underlying feeling of civil unrest behind.
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Daisy, why does the fact that I choose not to share my name have any bearing on how much analysis is appropriate? I am still a person, whether I list a first name or not. Odd comment. Plus I sort of need to keep my "anonymous" handle for continuity's sake, wouldn't you agree?
To be honest, I rarely read blogs and comment on them even more infrequently. Not that it's the case here, but I usually find it to be an exercise in frustration as people can be very rude, in my experience, in the (also) relatively anonymous milieu of internet blogs.
Bob, again, thanks for your comments. As I said before, I am not looking to convert, but thanks for the forum to share my thoughts and for your thoughtful responses.
As I mentioned, I am not religious and do not have many religious friends, but I don't begrudge others following their faith. That said, I also don't really want to hear much about it either (religion.) :) So you're right, I can't imagine being that exposed to any religious subculture, Christian or otherwise. Is it rude to offer my sympathies? ;)
Anon - For whatever it's worth, this comment string has inspired a future post. I'm on your side on this one.
Billy, I look forward to reading it. will you post the link in this thread? not sure how else to find it. what's your blog?
Quid pro quo, Clarice! (OK, that's not your name, but the reference was too easy.)
I shall provide you with said link if you shall provide me with understanding on how you have read this post and the comments without knowing the address or existence of our blog! This is a curious thing for me.
FWIW: The address of our blog is http://bottom-of-the-glass.blogspot.com, and my reply should arrive tomorrow shortly after midnight.
Art and music should always be subjective, but it sounds like you've made an objective decision to take an "assault" on the Avetts, because Christians choose to embrace them.
Sounds kinda similar to bigotry to me man.
It would be like a racist finding out that the art he hung on his wall was painted by a black person, and then decided it was no longer acceptable, and maybe even trash.
And that's just sad.
Just curious, if Christians decided that eating only Italian food, from authentic Italian chefs was the only decent and good form of Italian food, would you then resort to The Olive Garden for your pasta fix?
For your sake, I hope not. Those breadsticks ain't all that good. But I do like their tea.
Couldnt agree with Amy more.
Your review seems to reveal a disdain for conformity more then anything else... and speaks more to you rather then the band.
After reading this I am certainly going to check out the Avetts!
Dear Amy and Amanda,
Climb on as high a horse as you would like to, but are you really saying that once you realize that something is weirdly popular you don't take a second look at it? That you don't look to see who's embracing it? That you don't try to figure out why? That's what I did. And I discovered that there wasn't much to the Avetts for me.
Or maybe read an article like this one: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_alabama_governor_christians
and you'll get more of an idea where I'm coming from (and where I'm currently from).
Thanks for reading.
Bob
Hey Bob!
I don't think I was on a high horse. I was standing flat on the ground right next to you brother.
I don't even own a horse.
Anyway, to address your reply... I totally check out things that become "weirdly popular." Take for instance, the Grateful Dead. Even though I may not agree in their pot-smoking ways, I can appreciate their skills as artist and enjoy their gifts as "weird" as they may be.
The Avetts may not offer you anything, but attaching a stereotype to any one group or thing isn't always wise. You may end up missing out on some real truths and gifts, not to mention, cool people.
For the record, not all of us Christians are like the ding-a-ling from Alabama. God love him, but he's seems to be a little askew according to what flows from his mouth. Geez.
Peace out.
Billy, that's easy, I get google alerts for "Avett." I usually skim them, mostly ignore them, and I just happened to check this one out. Maybe it was the word "Assault," which I'm sure wasn't accidental (and sure not nice!) that drew me here.
I'm astounded at the mild outcry at my anonymity. There is nothing purposefully duplicitous about it. :) I gather this is generally frowned upon in this community, but I assure you, I meant no harm.
Amy, you made my point better than I did about not liking the band because someone or some group does.
Amanda, if you want any suggestions of where to start with the band, please let me know, I'm happy to offer you a few.
Bob, I know what you are saying, and why it would give you pause. I would be lying if I said that I haven't experienced this myself (though not with this particular band.) But I don't think that the idea that the embrace of this music by your conservative Christian community (or rather that surrounds you,) and your subsequent attempt to find the connection is related at all to whether the Avetts' music is for you when all is said and done. You said it's not for you, and that's fair enough. But the music should stand on its own merit, no? And you like it or you don't, but its value shouldn't be about who else likes it. But...we don't live in a vacuum, so I get that maybe you can't shake the connection after all. Anyway, I guess that is why I responded to your blog post in the first place.
Plus you assaulted my favorite band. :)
man, good music is good music. To stop liking a band because of some of the people that circulate it and enjoy it, just seems wrong. I guess I only further your views on this because i'm a Christian, but, say you were turned off to a certain type of music that you initially liked because you found out it was being enjoyed by liberal atheists. i'm guessing you would have strong words for someone who would say that.
I guess what i'm really saying is that your article is not really fair - We (christians) can't help it that we (occasionally) like good music - granted i'm not a big fan of a lot of the popular christian stuff on the radio.
As far as your assessment that they are safe - I just think your flat wrong and biased (sorry, i'm sure your a nice guy and all) but whose to say that their lyrics are safe - they managed to get you in an uproar. and ultimately, what is safer - playing to the popular cultures view on life, or writing that points to something else that lives counter to culture. I'm not saying that they are christians - I don't know, but I do know they sing challenging lyrics that (at times) do have spiritual (and positive) themes - which IS rebellious given the state of our world today.
Yogannon,
I'm a Christian, too, just not a conservative one. The Avetts bore me. They are bland hootenanny. I'm sorry.
Bob
P.S. I don't like Mumford and Sons either for pretty much the same reasons.
hootenanny. I can't really disagree with that, just the bland part. You're certainly entitled to your opinion which is ultimately what it is. Trying to explain to someone why a band IS good is just as much a waste of time as explaining why the same band IS NOT good. no minds will be changed.
Anyways, thanks for the response, I was impressed, especially when I saw how old this thread was.
The Avett Brothers are "insidious?" That's a new one. If I get the drift of your blog correctly, you would rather listen to songs about murder, rape, and other degradation of women? Is that the edginess you seek? By all means, please move on as there is no shortage of that type of music these days. The Avett Brothers' appeal is that their music is the antithesis of today's popular drivel. Also, they can be enjoyed by all sorts of people - christians to atheists, libs to conservatives. As it is difficult to pigeon-hole where the Avett Brothers fit as a musical genre, it is impossible to pigeon-hole their fans.
Hey Bob, I know exactly what you're talking about. I just went through something quite similar to what you describe. For the past few months I had been digging into the Avetts in anticipation for a couple shows this spring and summer. I enjoyed listening to them and thought they were pretty good, I was excited for the show. It was afterward, writing about the show, that I realized there wasn't all that much to them. It is not crazy to change your mind about something based on the demographic who enjoys it. I liked the band because I hadn't payed too close attention. Once I did, my appreciation altered. There could be some great sounding music in a different language that I liked initially but later loathed after learning they were singing in German and the fans were all Nazis.
You have never been to a show of theirs and yet you discredit them to something some one told you about appealing to a conservative christian fan base? Pretty lame.
Daniel: thanks for your comment. Criticize the Avetts, however, at your own risk.
Y.A.A. (as in Yet Another Anonymous): I appreciate your comment as well, but you misrepresent me. I am not criticizing a live Avett hootenany. I am criticizing bland, generalized songs that have a broad, safe appeal, not only for conservative Christians, but also for you.
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